On Bullshit and Bosnia

After a mysterious episode where I was ..ahem.. accidentally prevented from posting, I am baaaaacckk.

The news this week is that Sen. Clinton was caught making stuff up  about a trip to Tuzla. She said at GWU on March 17


I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.

It is not just that she misspoke on this one occasion: the story was repeated  at several venues, embellishing as needed each time.It was repeated with the robotic precision that Sen. Clinton brings to all her statements.

It was something worse than a lie. It was Bullshit.

What is the difference? The essay On Bullshit by the Philosopher H. G. Frankfurt (in 1986) argues the a liar at least cares about what is true. Not the bullshitter. He says,


Her statement is not germane to the enterprise of describing reality. .. Her description of her own feeling is, accordingly, something that she is merely making up. She concocts it out of whole cloth; or, if she got it from someone else, she is repeating it quite mindlessly and without any regard for how things really are.

Frankfurt wrote this perfect description of Sen. Clinton's recent speeches back in 1986! He is on to a phenomenon of nature here, for which he developed much needed  theoretical analysis:


One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted. Most people are rather confident of their ability to recognize bullshit and to avoid being taken in by it. So the phenomenon has not aroused much deliberate concern, or attracted much sustained inquiry. In consequence, we have no clear understanding of what bullshit is, why there is so much of it, or what functions it serves.

Modern technology has created a partial  anti-dote to Bullshit, not anticipated by Frankfurt: video. Of course videotape existed in 1986, but unless a TV station could be convinced to broadcast it, enough people would not see it to matter. This is why Bill Clinton got away with so much fine Bullshit in the nineties. The true technological innovation was not recording video but in its mass distribution.

YouTube is a bitch. Sen. Allen would have got away with calling that young man an obscure French slur, even if he had been caught on tape. But Siddharth put in on YouTube, ending Allen's career. (At least, it looks that way for now.) Rev. Wright might have got away with his whacko rants even after his Church started selling his DVD. (They say he was quoted out of context. Really, what context would make his words appropriate?) But it was bound to become a hit on YouTube even if ABC had not picked up on it. Neither of this invloves  Bullshit, but both illustrate how the rules have changed for politicians.

Sen Clinton too would have got away with her Bullshit were it not for YouTube. Because she was getting away with it even after the
reporters who went with her on the Tuzla trip said there was no sniper fire there. Even after Sinbad the comedian who was with her ridiculed her:


"I never felt that I was in a dangerous position. I never felt being in a sense of peril, or 'Oh, God, I hope I'm going to be OK when I get out of this helicopter or when I get out of this tank.

What kind of president would say, 'Hey, man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife...oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.


What caught her was video tape and the potential of it being publicised on YouTube.

Not all Bullshit can be countered this way. There is the kind that depends on


what the meaning of `is' is.

Ah, this gem could only  come only from a true Master.

You might ask, what about Bush, Cheney and Judith Miller? They are liars. Their lies were  about much more important matters and cost the lives of thousands. Still, at some level even Cheney seems to be aware that such a thing as truth exists. Even if he finds it useful to make stuff up when it suits him. Only the Clintons show  total unawareness of   the very  idea of truth, even about their most intimate feelings.

The most insidious thing about Bullshit is that it can never be refuted. A lie you can disprove. Being totally unrelated to truth, Bullshit can be transformed into anything you want,after you are caught. Even YouTube cannot kill it completely. There will be Bullshit artists who will say till the end of time that Hillary Clinton ran to avoid sniper fire with her head held down in Tuzla that day. Let us have a contest to see who can come up with the best follow on Bullshit to Sen. Clinton. The current leader is this one
Poll
Which Clinton Staffer should be fired for the Tuzla Bullshit episode?
Mark Penn, the Chief Strategist
Howard Wolfson, the Three Diamond Man
The candidate herself is to blame
It is all Sen. Obama's fault

Votes: 10
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: On Bullshit and Bosnia (none / 0)

 Yawn


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:18:54 AM EST

How Sleep Deprived do you have to be (none / 0)

to remember that you were running for cover under sniper fire?


by LibDem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:26:20 AM EST
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Re: How Sleep Deprived do you have to be (none / 0)

I dunno. I had a dream like that once, me and Rambo were saving this bus full of co-eds...


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:33:10 AM EST
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As I sip my coffeee, bullets are whizzing by (none / 0)

the tree in my lawn is a windmill
no,  it is a castle
I mount my trusted steed
ride  full tilt my spear raised

..oops spilled my coffee.
Reality is so overrated.


by LibDem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:52:16 AM EST
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Sleep Deprived? (none / 0)

That is a joke and yet another lie on the stack of lies covering up for the original lie.

Fact is, that on March 17th Hillary Clinton was delivering a PREPARED MAJOR FOREIGN POLICY SPEECH.

In her PREPARED Notes was the Lie, right there in print. And don't try saying it was "remarks as delivered" because Chuck Todd has a printout of the speech before she gave it and the facts are right there on the page.

Who in their right mind would deliver what was billed as a MAJOR FOREIGN POLICY SPEECH while sleep deprived?

And if this is the Judgement she exhibits while tired, we can't have this women near any Button or Red Phone. C-i-C can't crack because she is tired.

By Contrast, Obama stays up to 3 am writing his Race Speech and it is billed as "Historical".


by rockemsockem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:32:54 AM EST

I did not give a speech to that man Chuck Todd.. (none / 0)

The Clinton brand of Bullshit is very precise. She  brings her talent for detail to Bullshit also.

Lying is imprecise. That is why Liars get caught. I bet you that she will get away with this Bullshit. Already the popular diary on this site is justifying her Bullshit.


by LibDem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:39:40 AM EST
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Re: I did not give a speech to that man Chuck Todd (none / 0)

I'll take a person misremembering something over Obama bald-facedly trying to tell me that he never knew the Wright was a raving racist.


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 05:57:08 AM EST
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Misremembered exactly the same way several times (2.00 / 0)

over a six months period. Even have it in a printed version of the speech. And repeat it after you are caught at it.

That is not misremembering. That is Bullshit.


by LibDem on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 11:24:10 AM EST
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Re: Sleep Deprived? (2.00 / 0)

It's obvious...the person who wrote the speech for her was sleep deprived and she was sleep deprived when she reviewed it, and all of the other people in the campaign who looked at it were sleep deprived, oh and the audience for the speech was sleep deprived.  It was the sleep deprived perfect storm.


by StrangeAnomaly on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:13:26 AM EST
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You can put some of the people some of the time.. (2.00 / 0)


by LibDem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:22:05 AM EST
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Heh... (none / 0)

YouTube is a bitch. ... Rev. Wright might have got away with his whacko rants even after his Church started selling his DVD. (They say he was quoted out of context. Really, what context would make his words appropriate?) But it was bound to become a hit on YouTube even if ABC had not picked up on it. Neither of this invloves  Bullshit, bit both illustrate how the rules have changed for politicians.

Courtesy of teh Yootoobz... You can watch the whole sermons get the context and decide for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6 Lw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeo yQ


by kraant on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:34:09 AM EST

Im not watching (1.00 / 0)

Anymore of that racist crap.  File it with the David Duke ravings.


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 05:57:54 AM EST
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Re: On Bullshit and Bosnia (none / 0)

Hillary's is a habitual story teller to further her own ends.  It was a deliberate Lie, told over and over again but she got caught and now she is trying to deflect attention away from this Lie, this betrayal of Public Trust.  We who care deeply for this Country must continue to email, write, call the media to further investigate her lies and inform public and expose her lies and true character.  There is more much more.  Unfortunately, she is a consumate Actress and Mistress of Spin who lacks character, authenticity,compassion and loyalty, yet expects it from everyone else. Rev. Wright's words were not a Hate Speech, yet some pundits would have you to believe that.  His words were controversial and a rejection of some American policies but he never asked us to hate one another or America.  We must not be lead down the path of illusion.   Now Hillary has McGovern going on the media trying to interject a gender divide, along with the racial divide to further divide the country along racial and gender divisions.  In her quest for Power, she is destroying the Democratic Party and the country.  She says we have a choice to choose our Pastor, however, we also have a Choice to Choose our President.  No more Say and Do Anything Politicians!


by bacalove on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:54:03 AM EST

I am not defending Rev. Wright n/t (none / 0)


by LibDem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:17:45 AM EST

Re: I am not defending Rev. Wright n/t (none / 0)

So you agree he is a racist?

You agree Obama should distance himself?

Just last night, Obama called him 'my pastor' again, and repeated the lie that he was never in Church when wright made statements like that.

(Obama has created a new genre of lying...we'll call it forepedaling).

He lies, then backpedals, then after everyone forgets about it, forepedals back to the original lie.

He is shameless.


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 05:59:40 AM EST
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The sound of sniper fire is drowning out what you (2.00 / 0)

are saying. uhoh, there is a shell exploding. I need to run with my head down to the vehicle that will take us to our base. And I don't see any tea being served either.

Oh.. didn't I see all this in an Indiana Jones movie? That must be where I am misremembering it from.


by LibDem on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 11:28:02 AM EST
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